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April 8th, 2009

This is a comment on a comment by Bron Suchecki who is commenting on a commentary about gold and silver storage options. Confused? You should read the original pieces by Mr. Suchecki and Mr. MacFarlane as they both contain some very important points. I’ll focus on a few sections of Mr. Suchecki’s work to which I will add my two bits as his is the more clear and concise of the two.

From Mr. Suchecki:

I also think the article could breakdown the paper options in a bit more detail. My view is that the risk hierarcy of paper gold products would be (there would be sub risks within the categories depending on the associated legals and trustworthyness of the provider of the service/facility):

Unsegregated Allocated - physically segregated gold (usually in bar form) in the name of the storage service provider where title resides with the holders as a group but no one bit of gold is exclusively identified as owned by a specific holder. Examples would be GoldMoney, BullionVault, Central Fund of Canada. ETFs can be included if you believe they have the gold, although considering the lack of accountability in the legals of some they may not qualify for this category from a risk point of view).

Unsegregated Physical Backed - an unsecured claim on a provider where the claim is backed 100% by physical in various forms. This is the strict definition of the Mint’s unallocated. No different to unsegregated allocated except that title to the gold does not directly reside with the holders. Has to be ranked below the one above because the lack of direct title means you are relying on no other problems in the provider’s balance sheet, even if they have 100% gold. In this sense you have true counterparty exposure as commonly understood. In retrospect, the Mint should never have used “unallocated” as this is commonly understood as defined below, which is not what we do.

Unallocated Fully Hedged - an unsecured claim on a provider where the claim is fully hedged by one or all of physical gold, futures, options etc. You are relying on this ability to hedge this properly - physical gold 1:1 is a perfect hedge, anything else is less perfect as it may not be able to be timed exactly with actual liquidations.

Unallocated Unhedged - an unsecured claim on a provider where the provider may or may not hedge the exposure, eg just hold your cash if they think the price is going down, hedge it if they think it is going up, they keep all the profits, if they make losses you are relying on the strength of their balance sheet.

Segregated Allocated - physically segregated specific coins and bars (including numbers) in your name.

I would actually recommend looking at this in a slightly different hierarchy while maintaining some of the important differentiations introduced in the referenced commentaries. One of my main problems is the use of the term “segregated” which actually has dual meanings in the bullion storage business. “Segregated” can mean either allocated or physically separate depending on where you are. For example in London, allocated and segregated are interchangeable so the statement “segregated allocated” is redundant. In New York, however, there is a distinction between segregated and unsegregated accounts (both of which can be allocated) as well as allocated and unallocated accounts (either of which may be pools or unsegregated).

Bear with me, I’ll try to mesh all of this together into something that makes sense (in order from safest to most risky):

(1) True Allocated Storage — Specific bars and rounds held in your own name where the vault facility is merely providing a storage service and you have full legal title to the metal. Often the storage fee includes insurance. Other than that, you can think about this like any other type of storage.

  • Segregated — Bars and rounds are stored in a physically separate if not physically secure manner away from the bullion of other storage customers. This typically costs extra but is often required under some custodial arrangements or for improved audit control of inventory. This is the standard for London storage due to the different weight and fineness of good delivery bars. Both the large ETFs, SLV and GLD, hold their metal in this manner but you as shareholder of the ETF are only a beneficiary of the ETF (see below).

(2) Pool Allocated — You have title to a divisible interest in a pool of bullion stored in a specific vault although no specific bars or rounds are set aside in a physically segregated manner for each customer. Many storage accounts that are labeled “segregated” or “allocated” may actually work this way (see below). This is only possible if the pool of bullion is homogenous (specific rounds or bars with the same weight and characteristics) and equally divisible. Examples include a specific year of bullion coin or specific weights of retail bullion bars (such as some 100 oz. silver bars and kilo gold bars). Pool allocated accounts aren’t possible with good delivery bars since the different weight and fineness of each bar means that it is not fungible.

  • Unsegregated — Bars and rounds that you own are stored in a vault along with the bullion of other storage customers. You legally have title to individual bars and rounds, but if you purchased them from a dealer that provides storage (a fairly common arrangement in the U.S.), then for practical purposes you may have a pool allocated account. I suspect this is actually how the Perth Mint works as well for some of its product. For example, if you order 50 gold 2009 Kangaroos from the Mint for allocated storage, I don’t think the Mint will physically take the 50 Kangaroos, put them in a box or tubes with your client number on it and store them in a physically separate location. Instead the Mint will add 50 Kangaroos to the allocated vault shelves and put your client number along with quantity on the allocation list. If you take delivery, any 50 Kangaroos dated 2009 will do. Mr. Suchecki can hopefully clarify this point.
  • From a legal or risk standpoint there is only a minor difference between allocated (segregated) and pool allocated (unsegregated) accounts. Unless a very strict custodial arrangement is required or the account contains good delivery bars, the pool allocated approach can sometimes be more appropriate for efficiency, cost or insurance considerations.

(3) Trust Beneficiary, Bailment, Contractual — This is a typical format for metal ETFs but surprisingly most online gold accounts use this format as well despite their owners’ strenuous attempts to declare an alternate reality. In this format the investor actually holds a beneficial interest in a trust, custodial interest specified by contract or a bailment balance that in turn represents fractional ownership of an underlying metal pool. The rights and obligations of the investor and issuer are specified in the trust or custodial agreement. The trustee or custodian itself may hold the metal in any of the formats outlined here including allocated, pool allocated or unallocated. In the case of the gold and silver ETFs, SLV and GLD, the trusts hold the metal in LBMA allocated form. Importantly, the storage is in the name of the trust or custodian, not the individual bullion customer or shareholder.

(4) Unallocated — You do not have legal title to any bullion at all but merely hold a claim against the issuer of the account (typically the storage facility). If there is physical bullion backing, title to the metal is held by the storage facility or issuing counterparty. Regardless of backing, you are merely a creditor. By definition, unallocated accounts are always unsegregated as well.

  • Physical-backed — Kitco, Perth Mint, LBMA and many others offer an account where each unallocated ounce is supposed to be backed by an unencumbered ounce of physical metal owned by the storage facility or account issuer. Apparently just to confuse things, an unallocated account is sometimes also called a pool account (such as the Kitco pool account). This type of pool account (unlike an allocated account) does not confer on the account holder legal title to any bullion. Depending on local bankruptcy or insolvency laws and the specifics of each storage contract, the unallocated account holder may or may not have a secured interest in the unallocated metal (in the case of LBMA the interest is unsecured). Under some circumstances, a secured interest entitles a bullion account holder to a priority distribution of assets before unsecured creditors are paid during a liquidation. If you are going to be a creditor, you want to be secured instead of unsecured. Moreover, although the distinction is not adequately covered on the Internet, it is incumbent on you as an unallocated account holder to understand your creditor status and well as the financial viability of the counterparty that has issued your account. Here is where an entity like the Perth Mint with its long-standing governance and state government backing probably makes a very big difference. Regardless, with a physical-backed unallocated account you are generally entitled to take delivery of bullion within stated parameters assuming the account issuer is capable of delivering fabricated bullion product to you (here again it matters if the issuer is an active mint).
  • Not physical-backed — Typically this type of account is offered by banks, brokers and insurance companies. This is a general unsecured claim and the return of your initial investment, much less gains, is dependent on the solvency of the entity issuing you the unallocated claim. You generally have no right to receive physical metal; this is what people are really talking about when they mention “paper metal”. At the same time, the amount of investor funds, especially in the retail sector, that unallocated accounts of this type attract is way overblown by the average gold and silver commentator especially when he or she is hyperventilating about the bullion price suppression conspiracy. Needless to say, there is absolutely no reason to put a single dollar into this type of account and anybody doing so deserves to lose everything as punishment for stupidity.

The last point I will make before moving on is that any “lack of accountability in the legals”  of the metal ETFs — that Mr. Suchecki alleges might exist — is not a consequence of the format in which the metal is stored, which is a standard allocated LBMA account (the same allocated LBMA account that you or I could get if we had enough money), but rather the format of intermediary ownership specified in the ETF’s trust agreement. A proper assessment of the particular ETF’s risk in comparison to directly holding an allocated LBMA account should therefore be  made on the basis of legal flaws in the trust agreement, not the storage arrangement per se. Although there have been attempts to point out precisely such flaws in the past by people like James Turk and others of lesser repute, these have been nothing more than futile attempts.

Now for some more from Mr. Suchecki:

“An allocated account is very different. In an allocated account the bullion must exist, and the amount you purchase is stored in your name. You hold actual title to your precious metals. The dealer in this case is guaranteeing that it has the same amount of assets in bullion as there are claims against those assets.”

I would pick a technical detail with this statement about the dealer holding the “same amount of assets”. This is not the strict definition of allocated, which is specific bars or coins in your name. In its most common form, this means you have specific bar numbers allocated to you. This is different to what he then leads in to discuss regarding GoldMoney etc. In fact, allocated at the Mint (or another other depository, eg Delaware Depository) would have to be safer than GoldMoney type systems because clients have title to specific bars or coins, not an “undivided interest in” allocated bars (from GoldMoney’s user agreement). Being undivided, one could argue that GoldMoney is really an unallocated allocated system! I would suggest that for completeness and accuracy true allocated should be separated from “undivided interest in allocated” systems. This is not to say that I think there is any problem with the GoldMoney or Bullion Vault type systems, on the contrary, just that they are different to true allocated in the traditional sense.

Bingo!!! I’ll take it even a step further and say that GoldMoney, BullionVault, etc. are not even a direct form of metal ownership such as pool allocated accounts. The issue isn’t really “undivided interest” or “unallocated allocated” but rather that such programs are actually beneficiary trust forms or other intermediary business relationships that merely add an additional custodial layer on top of the underlying form of storage.

In the case of the SLV and GLD ETFs, we have ETF shareholders owning an interest in a beneficiary trust that holds gold and silver in LBMA allocated format. In the case of GoldMoney, BullionVault, etc., we have agreements and bailments respectively but the underlying storage is essentially the same LBMA allocated format. We can argue about the audit provisions and level of fiduciary responsibility of each of these programs but at the end of the day LBMA allocated is LBMA allocated regardless of the number of times the intermediate forms are audited. Bottom line, if you want the lowest level of storage risk, you don’t hold bullion via the ETF trust, GoldMoney agreement or BullionVault bailment but rather directly through the LBMA allocated storage account. Otherwise, you are making a compromise between risk and convenience that is more-or-less equal between the alternatives. Don’t let anyone tell you different, least of all James Turk or Adrian Ash.

silverax Windbag Wisdom

  1. dieuwer
    April 8th, 2009 at 18:38 | #1

    I never understood the advantage/risk of GoldMoney or BullionVault over SLV or GLD. In all these cases you hold a paper asset (digits on a screen) which represents physical bullion somewhere on the planet.
    Consequently, I never gave much thought of dealing with GoldMoney etc. but invested some in SLV.
    Of course, this is in addition to owning the physical bullion in my own storage which I regard as the first and foremost before investing in anything else.

  2. April 8th, 2009 at 20:24 | #2

    Good stuff Tom, another set of eyes always picks up stuff. I’ve got a longish reply, so have posted it at http://goldchat.blogspot.com/2009/04/storage-risk.html

    I think the advantage of GoldMoney is that you can transfer balances between users, so it acts like a gold bank account, this is the “money” aspect of it.

    By “lack of accountability” I was referring to the trust/custodian arrangements, not the actual storage. I am not 100% comfortable with the wording of many of the ETFs. As an example see http://goldchat.blogspot.com/2008/12/warning-on-existing-au-and-new-ag-pt-pd.html and this from the Australian ETF ASX:GOLD (capitals are my emphasis)

    3.2 Storage and Insurance of Metal. The Custodian (or one of its affiliates) may make such insurance arrangements from time to time in connection with its custodial obligations with respect to Bullion held in allocated form as it CONSIDERS APPROPRIATE. The Custodian has NO OBLIGATION to insure such Bullion against loss, theft or damage and the Issuer DOES NOT INTEND to insure against such risks. In addition, the Trustee is NOT RESPONSIBLE for ensuring that adequate insurance arrangements have been made, or for insuring the Bullion held in the Metal Accounts, and shall not be required to make any enquiry regarding such matters.

    This sort of stuff give me pause for thought.

  3. SRSrocco
    April 9th, 2009 at 10:25 | #3

    COMMON SENSE:

    It’s best to OWN PHYSICAL GOLD and SILVER. The idea that we will have a CONFISCATION of GOLD again, makes no Sense. Back in 1933, over 40% of Americans held GOLD, as it was a LEGAL FORM OF CURRENCY in the pockets of millions of Americans. Today, maybe 3% of Americans have GOLD.

    Those who think they can PROTECT against CONFISCATION or whatever by buying and storing their GOLD and SILVER overseas might come back to BITE THEM. Best to own your BULLION in a safe place in your home.

    Any type of PAPER SILVER is a GOOD FORM of TRADING….but not a good form to PROTECT yourself. Trace Mayer read the 40 page LEGAL DOCUMENT on the SILVER ETF and said there are plenty of HOLES in it. Again…if you want to trade the SILVER or GOLD ETF….fine…but if you want REAL PROTECTION….own your old GOLD and SILVER BULLION.

  4. pj
    April 9th, 2009 at 12:12 | #4

    Anyone want to comment on comex storage vaults, title to metal held in a brokerage account on your behalf (to expedite resale and delivery) and actual experience in physically picking up your metal from any of the storage facilities.

  5. silverax
    April 9th, 2009 at 14:23 | #5

    @Bron Suchecki
    Bron, Thanks for the detailed answer on the Perth Mint, I think much of the bad thinking on bullion storage is due to people not understanding the details. In the case of the ETF trust documents, the insurance provision basically reflects the LBMA allocated account standard, which does not require the custodian to carry specific insurance for each allocated account. You can certainly get such insurance on your own if you have an LBMA allocated account but it is not cheap and my understanding is that most LBMA allocated account holders do not obtain their own insurance. This is probably because over 3 centuries of LBMA bullion warehousing there have been no documented losses incurred by warehouse customers. In any case, the ETF would incur significant additional cost for such insurance which would substantially increase the current 0.40-0.50% annual fee load. Central Fund of Canada is a unique case as they carry private insurance and yet their fee load is still relatively low, but then again you are paying quite an upfront premium to NAV. Perhaps we should have a higher category of safe storage above allocated storage, the “privately insured allocated storage”? I believe the Perth Mint and Delaware Depository allocated accounts would go in that category, but at the same time we should keep in mind the presumed necessity for having insurance on these accounts in the first place is that they are not perceived as being equally safe to LBMA allocated accounts.

  6. silverax
    April 9th, 2009 at 14:50 | #6

    SRSrocco :

    Trace Mayer read the 40 page LEGAL DOCUMENT on the SILVER ETF and said there are plenty of HOLES in it.

    Sorry but Trace Mayer isn’t my idea of a credible or unconflicted source.

    pj :

    Anyone want to comment on comex storage vaults, title to metal held in a brokerage account on your behalf (to expedite resale and delivery) and actual experience in physically picking up your metal from any of the storage facilities.

    These are very generic questions. If you are asking about COMEX warehouse receipts, they are an acceptable way to hold large quantities of gold or silver assuming you already have some physical socked away in a location where there is nobody between you and the metal.

  7. JohnST
    April 9th, 2009 at 19:33 | #7

    “Fool me once, shame on you; Fool me twice, shame on me”.
    IMO, at this point all “Old, Reputable, Rock Solid, Venerable,
    Trusted, etc.” financial institutions should be assumed to
    be run by incompetents; if not downright charltons or criminals
    until proven otherwise.

    To trust any outside party to hold PMs in your name has, in the light
    of recent events, a high probability of turning into a disaster.
    They may take your money for PM’s and never buy them. It may disappear
    into a Byzantine maze of deriviatives, swaps, leases, or whatever
    other clever machination they can dream up. Or, they may actually
    have some metal that will somehow “disappear” when TSHTF.
    How many Bernie Madoffs are lurking out there? How many
    Madoffs will be getting into the Gold/Silver game once it
    starts turning into big money?

    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and posession is
    9/10ths of the law. Keep your PM’s where you can actually
    see, touch and weigh them!

  8. Jeff
    April 10th, 2009 at 17:41 | #8

    Would anyone here have silver miners that see promising that have beaten down stock prices? Thank you for any insight!

  9. silverax
    April 10th, 2009 at 20:53 | #9

    Jeff :

    Would anyone here have silver miners that see promising that have beaten down stock prices? Thank you for any insight!

    These are neither recommendations nor insights but Fortuna Silver, Impact Silver, Silvercorp, First Majestic, Endeavour Silver, Pan American, Minera Andes, Hecla and U.S. Silver would all qualify. Each has different fundamentals, technicals and other factors but at this point I would put Fortuna, Impact and Minera Andes near the top of my list on the basis of combined operational quality and upside potential. U.S. Silver along with CDE probably have bigger pure potential price gains if they can meet production expectations and do so at a profit.

  10. SRSrocco
    April 10th, 2009 at 23:09 | #10

    CDE might be a GOOD CANDIDATE as the SHORT POSITIONS have fallen signifantly in the past 2 months:

    MARCH 2009 SHORT POSITIONS

    Coeur dAlene Mines Corp. $ 1.12
    CDE -0.08

    Short Interest (Shares Short) 32,961,000
    Days To Cover (Short Interest Ratio) 4.2
    Short Percent of Float 6.03 %
    Short Interest - Prior 63,388,700
    Short % Increase / Decrease -48.00 %
    Short Squeeze Ranking™ -18

    APRIL 2009 SHORT POSITIONS

    Coeur dAlene Mines Corp. $ 1.10
    CDE 0.00

    Short Interest (Shares Short) 26,057,600
    Days To Cover (Short Interest Ratio) 2.5
    Short Percent of Float 4.71 %
    Short Interest - Prior 32,961,000
    Short % Increase / Decrease -20.94 %
    Short Squeeze Ranking™ -8

  11. silverax
    April 10th, 2009 at 23:45 | #11

    SRSrocco :

    CDE might be a GOOD CANDIDATE as the SHORT POSITIONS have fallen signifantly in the past 2 months:

    CDE is such a basket case that for now I would suggest treating it as a speculation not an investment. IF they can bring Palmarejo online without any major problems and IF their Bolivian operation churns out silver as forecast, this should be a $3 stock. Those, however, are big IF’s.

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